(((((Spice)))))...Sags rule!!! ...I am a bit biased in that opinion, however..
Plm, Are you a capricorn? I was born on the cusp (Dec 21) so, I am supposed to have some Capricorn traits. Your pic is beautiful too, BTW.
for those that requested on i&p thread....which i didnt want to hijack.... i figured i would post them here.
simon----i know some are a bit racy--and if i need to remove any please let me know, but i consider them art so i hope you'll let them stay up.
email me if there are any issues.
(((((Spice)))))...Sags rule!!! ...I am a bit biased in that opinion, however..
Plm, Are you a capricorn? I was born on the cusp (Dec 21) so, I am supposed to have some Capricorn traits. Your pic is beautiful too, BTW.
for those that requested on i&p thread....which i didnt want to hijack.... i figured i would post them here.
simon----i know some are a bit racy--and if i need to remove any please let me know, but i consider them art so i hope you'll let them stay up.
email me if there are any issues.
I'm a Sag. Beautiful pics. Where'd you find these?
the other night i was watching "king of .
queens"with a friend and he said you are "carrie"!!!
i thought about it and he was right.. what character are you?
I've been told by different people that I look like Bernadette Peters. And I've been told by others that I look like Rikki Lake (go figure...I don't think Bernadette Peters or Rikki Lake look anything alike but somehow, I look like both of them).
Anyway, I think as far as a "character" goes: I think that I am a lot like Wylie Coyote. None of my antics work...and everything I attempt to do blows up in my face.....LOL.
Bona
...that men are not allowed to grow beards?.
i don't know if this is true where you live, but where i used to live, it was against "policy" for brothers to have beards.
any man who did have one was looked down upon.
It's not in the bible. Nor are A LOT of the other stupid rules the JWs have.
don't want any cause for stumblin' anyone at da doors.
I don't know of anyone (except, of course, a JW) who would be stumbled by a friggin beard .
Bona
Edited by - Bona Dea on 23 July 2002 10:45:24
things that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).
fight against independent thinking.
6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.
Bleep,
Do you and I reside on the same planet? Obviously, some of the elders do hide things...
Bona
according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".
i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".
wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.
And that is coming from a Jehovah's Witness.
Oh, ok. I didn't know that. Well, if that's the case, I must be wrong!!!. I forgot my place. It momentarily slipped my mind, that JWs are the only ones who can truly understand and grasp the meaning of the bible:
Watchtower 12-1-1990: "Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own. We would not have discovered the truth regarding Jehovah, his purposes and attributes, the meaning and importance of his name, the Kingdom, Jesus' ransom, the difference between God's organization and Satan's, nor why God has permitted wickedness."
Watchtower 7-1-1973: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred word, the Bible, is not a sealed book."
Watchtower 10-1-1967: "Thus the bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, NOT to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the bible."
I didn't realize I was dealing with a real live Jehovah's Witness here....(trembling). I'm outta here. I leave you with your delusions of grandeur.
Bona
Edited by - Bona Dea on 22 July 2002 14:29:53
things that you definitely will not learn upfront: (and again, this is just a few...).
fight against independent thinking.
6-8-1986, page.9 would that all were prophets!.
do you mind if I make copies?
No problem. I'll post the revised one when I finish it.
Navigator
I share your pain. I too wish someone had given me this information years ago. I would've never opened the door if I had known all the things I know no. I am paying for it now. I am glad most of your children are out. My fight is to keep mine from ever getting dragged in...Thanks for stopping by and sharing your story.
Thanks everyone else for your responses!!
Bleep
I owe YOUR elders nothing. I have never been a witness and I NEVER will be!!! Nothing I've stated is untrue.
Edited by - Bona Dea on 22 July 2002 11:45:40
according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".
i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".
wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.
COMF,
Excuse me? If you think I am one of those Christians who get off on this kind of thing, then you are sadly mistaken. I am not even a Christian...so I'm not here "preaching" hell-fire and brimstone. I'm just saying, if someone is going to put their faith in the bible then they should believe what it really says and not what they want it to say. The title of this section is bible research and I was just sharing some bible research....Is that ok? And no drooling going on here....
Bleep,
Like I said, look up any place in the NT where the words everlasting fire, eternal fire, eternal torment, everlasting torment are and you will find that that is what the original words say. You want me to point to the scriptures for you? Do you not have a NWT with that little index in the back that lists all the different words in it? If so, then look the words up yourself and cross reference them in the Greek Interlinear. Matt 18:8, 9; 25:41; Mark 9:43,45,47,48; Revelation 20:10 are a few good verses with which to start. Eternal torment: Rev 20:10,"And the devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast and the false prophet [already were]; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." (compare to Matt 25:41) Look up the words in greek! They mean what they say. Notice the name of the place where the devil and his minions are hurled, "the lake of fire". The lake of fire which also just happens to be the name of the place where those whose names are not found in the book of life will experience the second death (Rev 20:14,15)...doesn't sound like annihilation to me. Jesus does describe a fiery place where sinners will go and likened that place to Gehenna. That place is the lake of fire. Bottom line. If you want to believe otherwise then do so.
Bona
yes they are, according to an editorial in today's milwaukee journal sentinel, written by shawn francis peters.
he takes to task justice scalia, who branded jws as "crackpots," and claims jws have done more than any other group to bolster religious liberty and free speech.
view "court ruling again places jehovah's witnesses as 'patriotic citizens' " at:.
Jehovah's Witnesses as 'patriotic citizens'
Gotta love the irony.
They don't vote. They believe that everyone, all governments, all people (except them and their little "theocratic" set up) are going to be destroyed. They won't allow their members to run for public office...BUT just because they have the power and the $$$ to take every whiney complaint they have to court and usually win they are suddenly labeled "patriotic citizens".
Did I mention they won't even sing the National Anthem or say the pledge of Allegience?
Yes, Jehovah's Witnesses are the epitomy of "Patriotic"!!....LMAO
according to revelation 20:10 the devil will be tormented day and night forever and ever along with the "false prophet".
i asked several jw's about this and the reply was "we don't take it like that" or "it doesn't literally mean that".
wether or not there is a hell it sure seams they are missing or ignoring something.
Bleep,
I've already read the big WTS write ups about why "common grave" is the appropriate translation for sheol and hades. I'm not talking about those words. I believe the bible supports the belief of a "state or place of the dead". I was referring to the words I showed you; eternal, everlasting, torment, fire, fiery. Look them up. The bible does support the belief of a fiery place of torment for those who are "sinners" and refuse to be any other way.
The "No hell" thing was the only thing I found appealing at all in WTS doctrine. No holidays (ugh), No competitive sports (ugh), No hell (hooray!!) Since it's the only thing you guys really have going for you, I suppose you need to do everything within your power to make sure it sticks!!
Gumby,
Does seem like a crappy thing to do, doesn't it? I mean, I do the same thing to my kids (sarcasm). I've told them a hundred times, if you don't do what I say, I'm gonna incinerate you in the big trash barrel in the backyard!!! Oh well, who said God was fair? Oh yeah, God did (or so the writers of the bible say he did)!! Well, in that case, he must be.
Peace....Bona